It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. Was the confusion because they had been switched? 3. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. Hardly "numerous" or warranting any suspicion, especially considering It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. even higher than IMMs.". was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! Additionally, they were not "in the middle of a coal strike". Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. everything else was added. Toggle navigation. In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would Oh, I beg your pardon; they were on the Oceanic; but on the Titanic they had been provided coming round from Belfast? 36. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" 41. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. of the surviving crew. in the Government. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship her full speed if the weather cooperated. 8. But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. 100 cubic feet equals 1 "ton" of internal volume. 28. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? 1852) and Susannah Haryott (b. There are two key issues with this story. Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' White paint on the wreck (Click to enlarge). So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? His theatre reviews were later collected as You Were Marvellous (1983). This is one of several undocumented, unreferenced claims. 15. It involves 3 photographs. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Californian was carrying woolly jumpers and blankets 10. Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 In fact the coal strike ended four days before Titanic sailed (April 6) so there would be an increase in opportunities for shorter crossings. Difference in port side joint plating This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. If not, it is a moot point. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. Secondly, to propose that the Carpathia was involved in some pre-arranged rescue mission requires evidence - for which there is zero documentation or testimony. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position The special effects of the . Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Titanic was at full steam but not achieving maximum speed principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. 2nd-class: 200 3. At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated Take the dining saloon. Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. between eighty and ninety feet.". Claim: How can a ship with a bent keel go on to serve 24 years (1911-1935) without being fully repaired? 45,000) in the last eight years. The origin of this seems to have come from Paddy the pig, also known as James Fenton, who later in life related the following: When the Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the, 49. Difference in port side joint plating, 20. Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston Olympic officers on the bridge But also there would be no need to. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. The ships that were launched were not launched in a finished state. Claim: Survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, theres no way they would have seen that on Titanic only on the ship Olympic. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. First and foremost is that the Californian would be a ridiculous choice as a rescue vessel. --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. Veined marble is a naturally occurring metamorphic crystalline limestone and, like snowflakes and finger prints, no two pieces are the same. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 Titanic did not strike an iceberg Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike There were closer ships that would be more feasible. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins, 32. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. (Click image to enlarge). But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Claim: Eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanics decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. He wrote most of them when. This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". This is completely false. The wind blows through his silver hair. the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). Claim: Olympic could In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - 43. answer was to grind the names off the bells. In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Claim: Photographs taken of Titanic at Southampton shortly before her maiden voyage show a large area of discoloured plating, as if it had been newly painted with paint that did not quite match the original, in the same location as Olympic's hull was damaged by HMS Hawke. Where is the photograph? Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." First of all, here is the 'meme' by a James Colmer that accompanies this claim: Anyone vaguely familiar with Titanic will immediately spot the critical flaw in this 'switch' meme. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. in the Government. This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. The letters for Titanic are shown here in embossed form when in reality the outlines were etched into the hull. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. The longer they were at sea, the more money it cost. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Also, fragments of linoleum have been recovered from the wreck, further proving this to be more likely than carpet. Cameron's expedition showed it matched Titanic." The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Far from the wisdom of the brain. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. Damage to Olympic caused by its collision with HMS Hawke. 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. 22. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. 40. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins (British Enquiry (Day 3) Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. the Olympic. As for the White Star Line itself, it was the Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. the game. Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Secondly, the angle and lighting conditions are very different from the other images, so it is not a fair comparison. Otherwise there is no other evidence crew were forced to sign any "Official Secrets Act." Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. Olympic's name is on the wreck In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. 27. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. Cross-checking with Encyclopedia Titanica website, which has extensive passenger and crew lists, the number of crew aboard the Carpathia exceeded 300 (it lists 307, but it is not necessarily a complete list). week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." It seems those intent on proving a 'switch' have mistaken the missing bridge enclosure, the rectangular gap in the forward bulwark (painted white) for the wheelhouse. Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations Actual video footage of Titanic's name clearly visible on the wreck in 1987. Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. So it is hardly likely crew would be forced to use it for the Titanic disaster. In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. such as Titanic's A Deck promenade which was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, and the promenades on Titanic's B Deck which were reduced in size, and the space used for additional cabins and public rooms, including two luxury suites with private promenades. In fact all ships of the Olympic Class (i.e. However his comments that the RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. 47. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. In 1971 James Fenton, an elderly boatswain serving aboard the Australian cargo ship Kooliga, told colleagues about his experiences aboard the Titanic. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. Order. Actually it is quite simply medium grey primer that was used on all three Olympic class ships, including Titanic, April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. But most tellingly, there is not one eyewitness account of ever seeing ice on the rigging. Check out our james fenton selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our collectible glass shops. Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. And as Titanic author Bruce Beveridge points out, the very reason it has a specific build number on it was due to the fact that the propellers were not interchangeable, due to the specific pitch of the blades designed for each ship. Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of 45,324 (1911-1912) while the Titanic was recorded as 46,328 - a difference of 1004 gross tons. Corrections? The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. Fentons poems ranged from narrative to nonsense. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. 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