Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. I have just posted I think the real point of the videos is to teach people to go out in public and pray for the sick and tell them about Jesus. (Luke 22: 51) 2)God can do what HE SAID HE CAN DO We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. If there is one, then I would ask the readers of this site to please post it for our enlightenment. This sectarianism which Jesus condemned, is the spirit which dominated the Roman Church and was inherited by the Protestants. I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. Egypt was a type of what we are called to come out of, the harlot church, by Gods grace let us not turn and become as those Egyptian priests. 35 years of not seeing healings and being told they dont happen today have a very bad effect on my faith, and I need this to show me that it doesnt have to be like that after all! Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. Home. What was the root practice in baptism? it was the Jewish Mikvah, which was extremely important, even more important than the synagogue or the Torah scroll, which they could sell to build the Mikvah. In 2Timothy 2 we are told that the servant of the Lord instructs but it is the Lord who will give the other person instruction. His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. All Rights Reserved. Excerpt taken from Your Power In The Holy Spirit By John G Lake. Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Who says that someones new birth experience has to be like a drive up fast food place? Miss his blogs. 13:5). USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. uncanny implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness . All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.. WARNING If you choose to enter this site or watch our content and continue to support Torben Sondergaard in any way, you will be held accountable on the day of judgment for learning the truth and choosing to ignore the truth. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023 : Those who have reverence for the Lord live.. USA: 210 Democrats vote against bill requiring.. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023 . Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever! The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. Andrew, why do you attack the truth in the age of deception? Yes, no matter where you came in Denmark, there would be people who would ask for one and set one free Yes, I believe we are seeing the fulfilment of the word that sounded over Denmark.[35][37]. Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? In too many of these healing/prophetic schools I am seeing far to much mixture. So while we dont put God in a box, I dont think we should ignore everything that we are told about the various gifts and parts either. I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. Will try the link you posted. So, you may now attack the truth once again. I have never see one video (much less the one with Torben) providing evidence of objective healings. Andrew and Torben, you are positively RIGHT ON! Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. `in His hand is a sharp sickle.`. Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. Using Jesus' words in Luke chapter 10, Torben refreshingly reveals that Jesus' message was not only for His disciples and those who lived during that period of time . We begged my unbelieving husband to let us pray for him. Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. He can also STOP anytime He wants to. But all praise and glory be to Christ Jesus our Lord who has conquered the lion who prowls around seeking who he may devour! Torben Sondergaard: Undercover journalists & money. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? Thank you for the clarification Andrew! Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. Perfect love casts out fear. Share on whatsapp. Nonethe less Chritian literally transliterated is Christ one or one of Christ Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. The miracle spoke for itself. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. Andthey reasonedwiththemselves,saying,Ifwe shall say,Fromheaven;he will sayunto us,Whydid yenotthenbelievehim? And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. Sndergaard has been heldin a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility in MacClenny, Florida, since his arrest in June. (Bearing I mind I can only talk about it in accordance with my gift, others like scribes might be able to go into in greater depth and detail etc, but for me I have to keep it simple, and that is ok I think because different gifts have different benefits.). Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Finally, and most importantly, I never saw anyone who was healed, truly repent and declare Jesus as Lord. The things of God are too precious to be treated as common. The Last Reformation . Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. We cannot just be focused on what is wrong. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. Are they saying that Roman Catholics who speak in tongues are born again as well? As a work? www.TheLastReformation.com Torben Sndergaard | Orlando FL The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. Yet is happy to come on here calling Torben a trickster. Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. John 3:5. Street preacher accused of smuggling arms from Mexico. This The Last Reformation Torben speaks about is none other than the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) /Latter Rain Movement. Rather than analyse Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. So, he went out looking for sick people to pray for. Within a few minutes I felt a deep concern and compassion rise up inside of me and found my self spontaneously and effortlessly inquiring of the ladies health condition. Genesis 15:9; 17:9. We live in a day and age of global information. He looked up at me with joy and surprise and, springing to his feet, said, Praise the Lord, John, Jesus has baptized you in the Holy Ghost!. All of us instantly felt heat like a fire go through us all. Torben is doing what is commanded in New testimant Christianity. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. Many of us do of course but not in the main. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Step 3. What Averyl said is very sensible. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? He touched the man full of leprosy. Such being the case, we must go to the Bible to determine God's will with regard to modern - day apostles. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. Can look my daughters and my wife in the eye. (Although witchcraft might be in a different category than what He was addressing there.) I heard of a series of miraculous healings on someone involved in a bad car accident and God seemed to be one step ahead of the doctors. "Torben detailed his life in ministry. Sndergaard has been held in a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility, in MacClenny, Florida, since the arrest. Or are these myths? He said that they needed to be naked before the Lord, or the Lord would not give him prophetic words for them. As I came out from under Rick Joyners Morning Star Ministries school for the prophetic, I see very many similarities from the teachings in that school to the teachings in Johnsons school. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. spread the word! Are FEARMONGERS walking by the Holy Spirit? He comprehends the sorrow of a bereaved soul. 2 Thess 2:7-12 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. He tells us to wait, to wait in our Jerusalem for the power from on high, for the spirits unction and then to go out. Miracles, signs, and wonders could be anything that has already been mentioned in the scriptures.both OT and NT..or even beyond those things.because the miracles and wonders that Jesus did the 40 days AFTER His ascension HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. This prophesy shall be fulfilled in Gods people ! `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). Jim makes a very good point. That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. Jda 016, Literally what to do to get Are you sure what the difference is between washing with water and washing by blood? Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. I left it that and said, Lord Thy will be done The whole leg lengthening thing at the start would have caused me to delete it and chalk it up to a fraud In all honesty, my reaction from the first video is I dont believe it. Do you think that mere men can in any way challenge God Himself and disprove what God is doing? But this attitude of Jesus cannot be called a sectarian attitude. She did not speak but apparently was amazed at the effect in her body. making who dont know the first thing about him. This means we ALREADY HAVE THIS REVIVAL LIGHT OF JESUS IN US SHINING! John the Baptists baptism in water was a baptism of repentance, but when Jesus Came, you are to be spiritually baptised into the One and only Baptism of Jesus Christ. Since all we have available to us is what is on the video, lets use that and test the spirit we see in the video. They actually believe what they are doing is through the power of the Holy Spirit. His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. I have experience many healing on the streets and meetings out side the church because the church is afraid these healing might take. God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. , (John 1:33) And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.. Dont for one moment let the cynics and hopelessness-mongers drag you down. However I can understand the skepticism of people not about the miracles but the structure and functioning of christianity. He may think he is, but it may be otherwise. This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. Youre right on that. There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? And there also those who embrace every wind of doctrine, and all signs and wonders, regardless of their source. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? Were the Hebrews experiencing New Age phenomena in the wilderness? In 2003, Torben Sndergaard invited the controversial tele-evangelist and faith healerTodd Bentleyto Denmark[34]. The Fiery Presence led them by night. Jesus Himself came back to give us this message in Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washedtheirrobes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.. We should let the Lord direct people in their belief. Share on email. I dont know. Wheres the beef in WIERDSVILLE ? That is never proof of anything in Gods eyes. We continue on and learn until the day we exit to Eternity. What you said is correct. Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. Romans 6-8 Thank you Lord Jesus! I prevail upon all here not to fall into the ways of the world and engage in these ad hominem attacks. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. My only goal here is to honor and glorify our Lord Jesus, not to attack anyone. First, she told about the man with the wooden leg. At the meeting, Sndergaard says he was accused by FBI agents of smuggling weapons into the U.S. from Mexico, a claim hewholeheartedly denies, and placed in handcuffs. 3.and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in faith with the signs of tongues, casting out demons and healing the sick with the laying on of hands in faith. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. So Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. 2 Thess. Torben says he is doing what God told him to do, you prove to us that he is not ! Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. we have to be about establishing what is right. One more thing. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, He avoided being arrested in 2019. It is the spirit of writing off However, this spirit must be the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13) and not another spirit. This has been an old staple of magicians and phony faith healers for a very long time. Lets compare this to what Torben is doing. [url removed]. Which hopefully will be heeded so as to allow the Holy Spirit to make any necessary adjustments in our thinking. `to go forward into the `true` thing.`. The single most encouraging thing is right at the end when the healers admit that they feel nothing, meaning they are operating strictly by faith and obedience. Torben Sondergaard is a Danish pastor who is facing extraordinary persecution for exercising his Christian faith. He believes he is a self appointed apostle with a Last Reformation belief system. he was encouraging the early church to return to the FIRE OF GOD thay had when the church was BORN IN ACTS 2 after the preaching of Gods word lifting up Jesus and the Father sent the Gift as promised. Sure there will be people who say Lord did we not cast out demons, heal the sick etc. Ruining the faith of the faithful is most important to him. God answered that heart cry in the following manner. The only way to know what is of God is for God to show you in some way, and all the people that do not live a life of obedience are unable to hear from God about some things . 1 What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- 3) to fear (i.e. Jesus also REVEALS TRUE FAITH in His Prayer to His Father for ALL of us. The Bible is replete with verses about this (some of which I pointed out in m previous post). You see, people have been so in the habit of putting Jesus in a class by Himself that they have failed to recognize that He has made provision for the same living Spirit of God that dwelt in His own life, and of which He Himself was a living manifestation, to inhabit your being and mine, just as the Spirit inhabited the being of Jesus or Paul. Sidelining the teaching of sound doctrine, the preaching of the message of faith in Jesus and sacrificial living and replacing these in mainstream Christianity with the seeking of spiritual experiences , sensuality, self indulgence and the worship and focus on angels and extra biblical revelatory encounters. writings and his preaching. To my utter astonishment she replied, But it seems there is a lot of cynicism out there. It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. It also helps with our conversation to each other to be encouraging & uplifting, & helps us to discern error when people would give us I will post a few excerpts from the book Your Power In The Holy Spirit by John G Lake, who I personally believe was a man used mightily by God to advance His Kingdom in the early 1900s. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. My friends, that is not discernment. Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. stayed in his home and spent time with his family. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Roger yes this has been going on perpetually but there are seasons in history where this ordinary supernatural normal hits the mainstream of the populace and other seasons where it wins and is obscured to small pockets. All the false ministers being mentioned started out in simplicity with the spiritual gifts that they had been given. Rev 13:13 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. . That is why he and I agree on so many things. I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. Now lets take a look at what the scriptures REALLY say about WEIRD things taking place in Jesus Life.not to mention the disciples lives. Too PRE-OCCUPIED with a devil that has been falsely portrayed as having EQUAL POWER AND AUTHORITY as the TRINITY..which includes the Holy Spirit that is dwelling within EVERY BORN AGAIN person. Got kids?Yes.This man needs to be able to make a living. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. Both of these ditches are equally dangerous. 4) I can do ALL things IN (while I am abiding in HIS Presence) Christ Jesus In the Name of Jesus, I command this leg to grow out. Yet, what I did, I did in the Holy NAME of JESUS, under the authority of the Son of God, the Lamb of God, the remitter of my sins, and the only NAME wherein we can be saved. He told me that all discs were as good as new, with absolutely no sign of any damage. There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. So she succeeded after much effort in touching the hem of His garment, and as she touched the hem of His garment, there flowed into her body the quickening lifestream, and she felt in her body that she was made whole of the plague. Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. People can either answer yes I do what The Lord tells me to do , or then whatever they say , whatever it may sound like , they are really saying no I do not do everything The Lord tells me to do. Though we may not be able to pull up scriptures on the fly, well know something is wrong when we see it. Neither did He give any dogmas or creeds which may be used to distinguish believers from non-believers. Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. Torben dunks these people in trash cans how insulting!Those that defend this man, are his Cult Members and they have no problem threatening those that speak out against him. back there. she told me she normally weighed less than 150 pounds but with the growing tumor she weighed over 400 pounds . 1Co 10:1-4 Israelites passing through the see(Baptized unto Moses). I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. Previous Comments: Please read all previous comment pages if there are any. Attributing some of the esoteric and bizzare paychotic behavior manifestations of the historic revivals ( which was highly suspect in the eyes of most revival leaders of previous generations) AS NORMAL. Updated 7 Dec, 2020. Multitudes of people have written to me expressing this. Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. totally normal part of everyday Christian life. It is a flow of the Living Waters of the Spirit Himself when our SELF/FLESH BOWS DOWN AND SURRENDERS. concerning the different parts of the body, in particular 1 Cor. Finally, Andrew you know I appreciate your zeal and commitment for what you do. Averyl, I also missed Randall & his posts. 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